and then, of course, when barack obama was running, he was very not just controversial, but he went over, some said, over the edge and became really alienated from a lot of the leaders. there's no denying the force that he was in new york city. and the remarkable character that he was. >> absolutely. >> all those years. >> he was, donny, the face of new york for so long. >> he is. i grew up in the city. and i love him. and i actually think his way was an early, early precursor to probably the most, if not hillary clinton, loved politician today, chris christie, straight talking, who he is, the embodiment of a region, unapologetically, and obviously stylistically very different but kind of built from the same mold. he was one of the greatest. >> he was another of the generation of these guys, these leaders, that we're losing now to who served in world war ii, was drafted in 1943, landed on a beach in france in 1944, you know, by the time he was 20 something years old and then went on to do all these great things. and he was still, until the end, a fighter. he was smart. he was funny. he'd